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Noctis Lucis Caelum ([personal profile] carbungle) wrote2025-09-05 12:18 pm
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scourgingstars: (not as sure as when we started)

[personal profile] scourgingstars 2019-09-15 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
I see. The situation truly is more complex than I can have any real grasp of right now, I'm afraid.
carbungle: ponponpon @ dw (42)

[personal profile] carbungle 2019-09-15 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
[....

This... really feels like someone else would be more qualified for the job, but...]

I don't know what I can tell you, but if you've got questions, I can try.

[At the very least it's not like it'll hurt to tell Ardyn about the world he should know in thirty or so years.]
scourgingstars: (keep me in your memory)

[personal profile] scourgingstars 2019-09-15 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
I am not sure I would know where to begin. To hear Verstael talk one would think the war to have gone on for an age already. Things such as that don't sprout up from nothing, and I fear no one single person could truly illuminate the circumstances surrounding it.
carbungle: ponponpon @ dw (49)

[personal profile] carbungle 2019-09-15 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
How much illumination do you need? he's not lying about the timeline. Niflheim started the war almost 400 years ago bc they wanted to steal more land for themselves

they've been taking over regions all over the world ever since. they broke the peace and they've been killing people for centuries. then they lied and offered to sign a treaty (and we SURRENDERED) just so they could get into Insomnia, kill my dad, and steal the crystal

sorry if I don't give a damn what their circumstances might be. nothing's gonna justify what they've done.
scourgingstars: (all this pain and devastation)

[personal profile] scourgingstars 2019-09-15 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
I was not trying to imply they were somehow justified in their acts. I would presume that 'looking for an ancient daemonic weapon' rather disqualifies the empire from any concept of good will that might theoretically have driven them, regardless.

I merely meant that to truly understand a four hundred years long war requires at minimum some passable knowledge of history that transpired while I was on a forsaken miserable island. Conflicts that are clearly black and white rarely if ever truly exist.
carbungle: ponponpon @ dw (if the sky that we look upon)

[personal profile] carbungle 2019-09-15 07:14 am (UTC)(link)
[There's a long pause where Noctis sends no reply; he has to get up for a minute and pace around, cool down a bit. He's going to start another fight at this rate, and he's- well, he said he would try. So he's trying, dammit.]

maybe try asking him why the war started. my guess would be some kind of spin on "power" and "glory" and "subjugation of the peasants" made up to sound noble somehow

[Okay okay okay try again. Gods, this is hard. There is no neutral in this universe for him when it comes to the conflict.]

from what I remember, it goes like this: Niflheim starts the war. Tenebrae falls, Accordo falls. The king uses the Crystal's power to raise a barrier around Lucis. Over the years the barrier is pulled back more and more until it only protects Insomnia and Niflheim keeps advancing. We lose territory, they gain it. Rinse and repeat until- what I already told you.

While all of that's happening, daemons and the Starscourge spread across the world, and THAT didn't start until the war did, so maybe they caused that to happen, too. It's hard to find fights they DIDN'T start.
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